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Debate? I really ahve a difficult time understanding why people feel the need to get into such heated discussions and insult each other. We are all intitled to our own beliefs. I personally do not follow organized religion but I do see the necessity of it in societ. Can you imagine how things would be if some people had no diety to control their behavior??? Think about that from a psychological point of view. [MrsGarza] 2004-04-29 15:16:01

Debate? Ok. It's official. I'm impotent. [anonymous] 2004-04-05 08:23:04

Debate? WHOA! [Joey Lawrence] 2004-03-09 02:14:11

Debate? WELL, WELL, WELL, Mr. Spenser. Very cowardly dodging my question about Mel Gibson's movie. And also my question about African Americans in your cabinet. WELL, WELL, WELL...this is the kind of attitude that fuels the Ralph Nader's of the world. WELL, WELL, WELL... [Rev. Al Sharpton] 2004-03-05 03:33:09

Debate? WELL, WELL, WELL,...no comments from the American Atheist on Mel Gibson's Passion. WELL, WELL, WELL. Let me ask you Spenser, do you have any black people on your diary staff? Do you have a hundred black people on your staff?? WELL, WELL, WELL,...that's what I thought. WELL, WELL, WELL. [Rev. Al Sharpton] 2004-02-28 17:35:24

Debate? Ok, ok, it was me who left the anonymous remark. [Gray Davis] 2003-11-13 16:59:50

Debate? I'll tell you what is pathetic is the coming here and making the derogatory statements and all of those things, and then not signing the name, and doing this and that, and insulting the people of california, and all the whatnots. [Arnold Schwartzenegger] 2003-11-13 16:57:37

Debate? Awfully brave for some one with no name... *roll eyes* [Spenser] 2003-10-29 15:10:48

Debate? This diary is actually pathetic. [Anonymous] 2003-10-20 19:33:30

Debate? *FART* [Spenser] 2003-09-19 19:33:40

Debate? Now, I am not here to debate, I don't think that proving something actually happens through debate, debate is your ability to pull facts out of context and make them sound elegant and pretty enough for someone to buy them, or to take the facts and pump them up with elegance to make them more appealing to believe. Either way the more elegant speaker wins because he sounds more sure making others sure of him. I don't debate. I've read your entry though and I've printed it out for my youth pastor and perhaps you'll get his view on things. I believe in God because He makes Himself evident in everything I do, and see. I know you can't understand that, because you have stated there is no God, and if you understood, you would never have declared that. I'm praying that God will clear your vision of truth when it's His will to, because everything has a time and place in His timeline, I just pray he opens them before what you don't believe in appears before your eyes during judgement. I'm praying for you, and I don't think you'll have objections to that since to you it would just be me talking to my ceiling, right? By the way, why would God WANT to make a rock to large for Him to lift? - Lynn [the burning wick] 2003-09-12 20:48:43

Debate? Cool, if your interested in that type of stuff goto infidels.org and check the forum, I write there almost daily and so do a number of theists as well as atheists. More intellecuals there than most boards... [Spenser] 2003-09-12 18:18:26

Debate? "Granted! Now might you want to debate?" No I do not want to debate, rather I prefer listening to what you and others have to say and they way in which they (and you) say it. [Just Visiting] 2003-09-12 16:28:26

Debate? SPENSER - BEFORE I GO, I SENSE THAT YOUR STRENGTH COMES FROM YOUR DESIRE TO FIGHT OR DEBATE. I DON'T KNOW YOU, NOR HAVE I SEEN YOU BUT I GATHER THAT IT DEFINES YOUR CHARACTER. IT WOULD BE A GOOD ASSET TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD...IN YOUR SPARE TIME, PLEASE READ THE STORY OF SAUL, ONE WHO TORMENTED THE CHURCH; KILLED THOUSANDS OF CHRISTIANS AND LATER WAS TOUCHED BY GOD AND WENT ON TO BECOME A GREAT MAN OF GOD. YOU'LL FIND THAT STORY IN THE BOOK OF ACTS...BUT YOU'RE A WORTHY OPPONENT SO I'M SURE YOU ALREADY KNOW WHERE IT IS...TAKE CARE. [Christian Advise] 2003-09-12 14:50:34

Debate? Granted! Now might you want to debate? [Spenser] 2003-09-12 10:36:39

Debate? Okay, I tried to do html, but it just didn't work. Oh well... the site is http://www.infidels.org/news/atheis m/logic.html#hominem[Just Visiting] 2003-09-11 16:35:56

Debate? Spenser, Regardless of if you were the first to be derogatory or not, you are clearly demonstrating a common Fallacy in Logic, the ad hominem. One of the many strategies of this fallacy is to get (in your case) the noter, to ignore the argument entirely. An ad hominem tries to prevent the evaluation of an argument, rather than to evaluate it as worthless. Or as the dictionary puts it (in lay terms): Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason: Debaters should avoid ad hominem arguments that question their opponents' motives. Need to refresh yourself with the ad hominem? Go [url]http://www.infidels.org/news/a theism/logic.html#hominem]here[/url ](I think you're familiar with this site) [Just Visiting] 2003-09-11 16:34:51

Debate? Hello Spenser, Please help me understand. Is it an argument on these issues you're looking for, or is it really to know if God exists or not? Or are you wanting to know why I (or Christians) believe that God exists? [Christian Advise] 2003-09-11 13:14:39

Debate? Just visiting,

as I have clearly demonstrated with this:

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”My, my....your motives make me believe in a Higher Power (and the powers trying to blind us to it) even more. Congratulations.”

My, my…. If the above quote isn’t your attempt to try and slight me then perhaps you should learn to consider what you say before you say it.

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I was not the first to be derogatory and I clearly labeled in my post how I would treat that. Saying the following In philosophy, one of the first signs that someone is getting frustrated and knows they cannot win an argument is to insult their opponent. is a sack of shiit. I'll have little trouble winning this argument, as you can see no one has even offered up anything against it yet. And no matter how my or others demeanor is, it doesn't change the logic or reason that is being put forth. By all means, some one put forth an argument... [Spenser]

2003-09-11 12:55:26

Debate? In philosophy, one of the first signs that someone is getting frustrated and knows they cannot win an argument is to insult their opponent. Mr Atheist, you have some good points, try not to ruin them by sounding immature in lashing out... [Just visiting] 2003-09-11 10:19:44

Debate? Wow! [Christian Advise] 2003-09-11 08:51:37

Debate? God, it's all really down to what we choose to believe in or not, isnt it. I realise this puts me in the non stimulating debate basket but really...? I was born into a catheloic family, in religously uniformed Ireland. At four years old, I entered my school every day to face a six foot by six foot picture of the souls burning in hell, and was frequently told that this is what would happen to me if I didnt obey the church and worship God. If I didn't conform, I would simply be a lost case, thats all. You were catheloic, or not. God offered love and truth and safety to the promised land, (again, this is what we were told) if I talked in the bathroom or in line, i was sinning because I was not respecting the rules of authority ie: my teacher who was in fact a direct right hand deciple of the man himself, they all were you know. A lot of the kids just took it, not necessarily passionately, but, just sorta took it. Kids like me, were the ones who were evil and bad, simply because we just didnt buy it. What these women were saying, and how life was, just didnt quite make sense to us I guess. I rejected religion very early on as boring, and repressive. Later on, I rejected it in favour of no faith whatsoever. But see, my lifes experiences required that I had no faith. (blah blah, drug addict, homeless, blah blah blah) but I did get into recovery. I did start facing myself. But when told of the power of a higher power that was spiritual instead of religious, that held charm for me. It still kinda does. For me, it helps keep my ego in check. For me, this is very necessary. So! to finish this entry/comment, I am not a member of any church, nor will I ever be. Jesus may have existed, a man that did some cool shit, maybe there is evidence that a man called Jesus did exist, I don't know. But God is a word we all use to help "hand over" an emotional resposibility that we all carry, simply for being human, when we cant deal. Its comforting for many to believe in heven and hell. That way, we can live our lives judging ourselves as always going to heaven, while that bastard car sales man that ripped me off will surly go to hell. Shit! its the best thing that Man ever invented for himself. Have faith, that way you always have someone else to blame or hand the responsibility to. Have someone to repent to, after you have raped 15 women, and fucked the neighbours dog. I guess i'll ask you to keep a seat warm for me down there... :) Ill just get me coat now...... [girl in a whirl] 2003-09-09 07:58:17

Debate? He never even produced an argument to have any credence for... [Spenser] 2003-08-30 13:39:34

Debate? WHEN THIS CHARACTER HERE DECLARES THAT YOU HAVE "MET YOUR MATCH", HE PUTS THE CREDENCE OF YOUR ARGUMENT ON AN EVEN FOOTING WITH HIS OWN, THEREBY FOOLISHLY CLAIMING NOTHING MORE THAN A DRAW. HA! WHAT A HOLLOW VICTORY FOR THIS UNSAVORY MISCREANT. [GOD THE SATANIST] 2003-08-29 23:21:05

Debate? What's wrong with them here backwoods' words anywho? [Cletus the slackjawed yokel] 2003-08-29 23:13:01

Debate? ”My, my....your motives make me believe in a Higher Power (and the powers trying to blind us to it) even more. Congratulations.”

My, my…. If the above quote isn’t your attempt to try and slight me then perhaps you should learn to consider what you say before you say it.

”And you said in your entry that you would treat whoever wanted to debate with respect.”

Two questions: Where exactly were you attempting to debate and per original quote, where is the respect?

”but I think you've met your match with me.”

Yeah right *eyes roll* …and this:

”This will be my last comment, as I don't consider you worthy of my thoughts. I don't think you understand them anyway.”

…is nothing but a cop out, coward. I probably wouldn’t understand them but that would only be due to their failure to adhere to logic and reason, not because you come anywhere close to matching me intellectually. Perhaps I might have thought you could if you would have offered any semblance of an argument but apparently you are too insecure to debate, would prefer to challenge my character (which has little to do with the existence of God) so go run and hide if it makes you fell better.

”Too much clean language for you.”

…and this helps to prove God how?

”He has given me more intelligence than this man!”

This is nothing more than a mere assertion that you have offered up zero evidence for. Prove it! Your silence can only prove you wrong; at least attempt to debate me or it will be obvious you lack the intelligence to do so. Oh, and before I go PHUCK GOD IN THE HIGHEST!!! (see how little that does to prove my argument *wink*) [Spenser]

2003-08-27 21:56:25

Debate? How you jump to conclusions. No, I don't think you bitter or hateful, I only think you uninformed. And speaking of limited vocabularies, I'm glad I have enough of one to express myself without those backwoods sounding curse words. And you said in your entry that you would treat whoever wanted to debate with respect. I've never called you any names or the like, but you are quick to disrespect me. I'll agree that everyone else that has posted here has offered weak banter, but I think you've met your match with me. This will be my last comment, as I don't consider you worthy of my thoughts. I don't think you understand them anyway. Too much clean language for you. Before I go I must say, PRAISE GOD IN THE HIGHEST!!! He has given me more intelligence than this man! [Me again] 2003-08-27 20:26:13

Debate? ...and before you go off on some stupid rant about how angry and bitter I am perhaps you should read into the sarcasm. If that word is beyond your abilities you can always look it up... [Spenser] 2003-08-27 14:15:56

Debate? Man you are stupid. My willingness and ignorance to attack something that shouldn't affect me at all??? Please tell me you cannot be that stupid If you don't think that religion has a huge affect on politics, which of course has a huge affect on society, which of course has a huge affect on MY life then I'm afraid I'm talking with a mental handicap. Figures. Of course religion affects me asswipe, I suppose you are one of those ass holes who wants them to teach creation in high school science classes over evolution. Fact is I have an ideology here, I have a cause here, you only seem to be here to talk about me. Now that is the epitome of pathetic! So if you don't have an argument I suggest you close you mouth before you continue to demonstrate your lack of an intellect. You only made yourself look like my b*tch. Don't worry, I'm used to it...

Pray for my balls you dipshit and I hope you burn in hell ..i., [Spenser]

2003-08-27 13:27:20

Debate? I can see you have no answers to my questions. That DEFINES pathetic. Your ignorance and willingness to attack something that shouldn't affect you at all (according to your beliefs)nullifies anything you have to say in my eyes. By the way, you are in my prayers, whether you like it or not. Have a nice day. [Still Curious] 2003-08-26 18:31:45

Debate? I can see you have no argument, how pathetic... [Spenser] 2003-08-24 17:52:00

Debate? I've noticed you've devoted a lot of time and energy to your debate on this subject. Why is that? Why do you have such a problem with people believing what they want to believe? If, as you claim, there is no God, what difference does it make to you? And I notice you always capitalize that "G". Is that just for reference? Because if you think Christians are the only monotheists in this world, you are very wrong. Your concentration on this group is an enigma to me. Why don't you debate the existance of Buddha? Or some sort of mythology? My, my....your motives make me believe in a Higher Power (and the powers trying to blind us to it) even more. Congratulations. [Just Curious] 2003-08-24 16:04:42

Debate? P.S. ...and I don't actually see anyone debating sh*t... [Spenser] 2003-08-23 22:27:59

Debate? Are you two up above dense? The post above demonstrates how those arguments are absurd and suggests that God be define in a way that he can do all things logically possible. However if God is defined as being able to defy logic, then THOSE arguments completely show the absurdity of that God. So, learn to read and realize this is just setting up an argument that can be discussed rationally and logically. Quit building straw men... [Spenser] 2003-08-23 22:24:48

Debate? I despise absurdity poorly cloaked as logic. And, I must add, I'm very fond of C.S. Lewis. Mere Christianity and/or The Screwtape Letters should be required reading in all Freshman English courses. [Sosad.] 2003-08-22 19:28:43

Debate? You're quoting the "can god make a rock so heavy he can't lift it" quote cracks me up. First year in college in logic class: we dealt with that argument. It's a bogus sentence. Well, the sentence makes senses when you hear it: it has a verb, noun etc. But it makes for a completely meaningless argument. There issue is, there are no objects of infinite mass. There is limit of some mass to any object. Rocks have varying weights. "Make a square with sides of different lengths." Squares do have sides, but it is inherent in the definition of a square that they always have sides of equal length. An object with sides of different length is not a square. The statement is meaningless gibberish when closely analyzed, even though the general grammar structure is fine. "Make an object that is 5 grams in color." Objects do have the property of mass, and they do have the property of color. But each property is distinct. We do not speak of a weight of yellow, nor a color of 5 grams! Once again, the statement has no actual meaning. C.S. Lewis once observed that many of the supposed great objections to the existence of God were in fact predicated on just these types of "nonsense questions." [Your funny. .] 2003-08-22 16:31:11

God f***ing I never thought of it that way. Now that is funny. [MySharon] 2003-08-18 20:16:53

Debate? I think that we believe in God because we want something to have hope and faith in. So we think all of our lives that maybe this isnt all there is, it is just our little hope. [MySharon] 2003-08-18 19:57:25

Debate? Yanno, the world is so diverse, that its cool that everyone has the chance to have their own beliefs. What is uncool is when someone chooses to voice their beliefs and someone who doesnt agree with them, tends to bash them and tell them that they are wrong in their beliefs. In fifty years, when we are all too old to type anymore cause we are all riddled with arthritis from putting comments in peoples diaries, no one is ging to care who believes what, as long as they believe in something. Isnt it nice to know that in a world where things can be stripped of us by a simple act of congress, we can still have something that the governments and higher powers cant take from us? Food for thought... [Stronger then ever] 2003-08-17 09:02:20

Debate? There is nothing scary about not believing in God. That's just it, God belief is an emotional tie not an intellectual one. Lack of belief in a God has no emotion tied to it what so ever. There is no universal judge to fear, no hell fire to burn in, just my life to live.

...and as for 'God is so real.' This is nothing more than an unsubstantiated assertion. You have nothing to base this statement off of I would assume since you said nothing else. What originally made you think God existed? What, some one told you so? I wonder if you even read anything in my entry because why did you even bother to leave a comment that says nothing more than 'God is so real.' If that's the only ignorance you have to say to this whole entry you would have been better of saying nothing. Ooooo Female testicles are so real... [American Atheist]

2003-08-15 15:18:38

Debate? If God is omnipotent, could he will himself into non-existence? [Retention Team USA] 2003-08-14 22:38:56

Debate? Burning in hell sounds like fun to me. who needs that glowy angel halo harp crap anyway. That be for wussies. :) [QueensOwnTalia] 2003-08-14 22:13:10

Debate? God is so real [PrayersToHim] 2003-08-14 11:27:03

Debate? Quite frankly I am sick and tired of your non-stop bashing of leprachauns. [Collin O'Brien] 2003-08-14 11:01:43

Debate? I am so sorry you don't believe in God. That must be really scary. [faithfuldaughter] 2003-08-14 11:01:35

Debate? I'll even post the first comment as to create a link to the comment section... =) [American Atheist] 2003-08-13 18:34:20

Where Jesus Never Walked Xian? define this please. I think someone once asked me if I could because they couldnt find it in the dictionary. Forgive my ignorance, but I just thought it would be better to show my ignorance than to feign intellectual ability. Thanks bud. [Stronger then ever] 2003-08-07 18:01:43

Where Jesus Never Walked Anon, if you are serious just try thinking about it first. Think about what you are supposed to believe and question it. If you want good readings you can goto www.athiests.org or www.infidels.org and read up on some of their docs. Some may label them as bias, however most of what they convey is by questions or buried in facts (or lack there of). Or E-mail me if you want... [Spenser] 2003-06-04 12:56:49

Where Jesus Never Walked spenser you said, What if no Xian had the ability, the know how, nor the facts to counter anything that was posted! Oh God, that sounds like me. I am not kidding. I am a brainwashed Christian, but want out of this dark cave. I am totally serious. Do some of us Christians a favor. After being brainwashed our entire lives, how the heck do we get out. Get us started on the path. Where do we begin developing the ability and know how? [Anonymous] 2003-05-30 14:41:46

Where Jesus Never Walked PS There has been over a hundred visits since this was posted so people bothered... [Spenser] 2003-04-01 12:27:31

Where Jesus Never Walked What if no Xian had the ability, the know how, nor the facts to counter anything that was posted... [Spenser] 2003-04-01 12:26:43

Where Jesus Never Walked What if they had a war and noone showed up? What if Spenser wrote a really, long entry and noone bothered to read it? [anonymous] 2003-03-28 02:35:49

Where Jesus Never Walked Looooong entry [Gretch] 2003-03-20 12:32:20

Solid Argument AA, I'm sorry to have just discovered this diary today (3-18-03). I have a small request, if you are going to make comments to your commenters, could you type in the date so's we know if your comments are fresh or not? Hope to chat with you in the near future. Would love to help you stir up the mud ... [Missed The Action] 2003-03-18 21:20:49

Solid Argument I Loved the entry. Join Our Community http://www.sd6.us/in.php?id=240 [Anonymous] 2003-03-09 20:00:21

Solid Argument My father would have no doubt applauded you. My mother would have hated you. Me, I think you are far too intelligent for your own good. But, for your own sake, I hope your everyday conversation and overall life doesn't read this much like a textbook. If it does - man oh man - I'd hate to think of what your sex life must be like. [Jaded_hope] 2003-02-27 00:38:04

Solid Argument You said you had three Diarys? I would love to read the others. [q_knox] 2003-02-26 19:47:31

Solid Argument Yes looking back the second anon played me the fool. Beautifully done. I highly doubt the anon from 2 entries ago and the anon from the last two entries are the same, but either way I do appreciate a good sense of humor... [American Atheist] 2003-02-26 01:10:25

Bumblings of a Believer LOL

Looking back I didn't even really notice the obvious joke of the anon comment. I guess I was a little wrapped up at when I read it... [Spenser]

2003-02-26 00:58:20

Solid Argument LOL

If you are really the same anon then you totally got me. I was starting to wonder if anyone could really be that stupid. Those comments were like an endless groaner... [Spenser]

2003-02-26 00:47:35

Solid Argument Confuscious says: man who go to bed with itchy bum, wake up with stinky finger. [Stronger then ever] 2003-02-25 23:42:48

Solid Argument American Atheist, did you know that everything you say in this entry has been disproven by the Chumba Wumba Institute of Very Good Science? Dr. Bartholomew Butterballs, co-founder of the Institute of Very Good Science had this to say about the theory of evolution and it's validity. "We conducted computerized experiments projecting the development of man over the next hundred billion years and according to the computer model man does not envolve into a highly evolved super creature but quite the contrary. Evolutionists would have you believe that man was destined to become super beings, women with 3 boobs, men with 12 inch pen-ses but our computer projections show this is simply not the case. More likely is a larger human creature, quite obese and slovenly, as the snack treat industry continues to proliferate it's unhealthy snack treats into societies. Something more resembling the a cross between Homer Simpson and Fat Albert." The Chumba Wumba Institute of Very Good Science is highly regarded in many circles. Even President Bush has weighed in saying, "I am in favor of very good science." The military technological advances of the Chumba Wumba Institute also aided Sadaam Hussein in fighting terrorist Iran to a draw in the 1980's. Further proofs of Creation over evolution are featured in Chester Chumba Wumba's book "In the Beginning..." Dr. Chumba Wumba writes, "Ancient caves in Africa display hieroglyphics depicting man's early encounters with God after creation. According to the ancient art, God was a distinguished looking fellow resembling actor George Hamilton, only He had a beard. Ancient Indian manuscripts also tell of festivals at the dawning of man celebrating the creation, celebrations held by an awesome being who said his name was 'Gog.' The likelihood is that this distinguished creature was actually God and the Indians just misspelled His name in their manuscripts." These authentic eyewitness accounts are much more valuable then the wild guesses of our modern day evolutionary scientists. [anonymous] 2003-02-25 20:48:20

Solid Argument I have an idea Mr. Anonymous. Why don't you actually try and refute something that is in the entry instead of quoting something from the entry and quoting something somebody else said as if them merely saying it makes it fact. Doing nothing other than hiding behind the words of others and never offering anything yourself not only doesn't make you look very intelligent, it doesn't only make you look ignorant, it makes you look like a coward. [American Atheist] 2003-02-25 18:19:43

Bumblings of a Believer You've countered nothing. There is no evidence of any sort in the scientific community that suggest time can be speeded up in any way for test in the labs. Basically you are quoting people who are full of shit and still further demonstrating your own ignorance. You haven't sufficiently disproved anything I have said and leave me with nothing of your own to debate. What a phucking waste of life... [Spenser] 2003-02-25 17:56:14

Bumblings of a Believer "Evolutionary theory claims that simpler organisms evolve through time (billions and billions of years) into more complex organisms." In his book 'The Mating Habits of Lesbian Gorillas', creation scientist Chester Chumba-Wumba states the following: "Thousands of experiments striving to prove or disprove evolutionary theory have been performed and none of them give any credibility to the evolutionists. The most telling of these was an experiment by the Tuskahegee Center for Evolutionary Study and Quality Control which placed an amphibious gastropod in highly accelerated undulating hypodermic chamber. The undulating hypodermic chamber provided an environment where at least several million years of evolutionary changes should have taken place, but instead when the gastropod was released from the chamber, no changes had taken place other than it's excessive dizziness and loss of equilibrium." ('The Mating Habits of Lesbian Gorillas' p 802) "Deism's definition is conflicting with Xianity's definition. Any people who call themselves true deists and yet claim Xian ideologies are not true deists now are they." This ignores all the achievements of the Obstipated Christian Deists including such influential philosophical theories as Converse Calvinistic Hyper-Astricitivism, the doctrine of 'Flatullating Menustration', and the creation of the world's only Deist democratic republic in Fullopia, though it was short lived. In Horace Goldblatts's groundbreaking paper entitled "Estranged From a Severely Constipated Deity", Dr. Goldblatts writes, "Though the Deist Republic of Fullopia imploded almost before it began, it was a monumentally idealistic endeavor unlike any other witnessed in the anals of modern human history." [anonymous] 2003-02-25 16:41:34

Bumblings of a Believer So basically once again you have said a whole lot of nothing, but since you like quoting:

"Clearly the person who accepts the Church as an infallible guide will believe whatever the Church teaches." - Thomas Aquinas

"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony

"Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation, all which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, though religion were not; but superstition dismounts all these, and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men...the master of superstition is the people; and arguments are fitted to practice, in a reverse order." - Sir Francis Bacon

"The very concept of sin comes from the bible. Christianity offers to solve a problem of its own making! Would you be thankful to a person who cut you with a knife in order to sell you a bandage?" - Dan Barker

"Pray: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy." -Ambrose Bierce

"All religions have been made by men." - Napoleon Bonaparte

"If God wants us to do a thing, He should make his wishes sufficiently clear. Sensible people will wait till He has done this before paying much attention to Him." - Samuel Butler

"Of religion I know nothing -- at least, in its favor." - Lord Byron

"Men create gods after their own image, not only with regard to their form but with regard to their mode of life." - Aristotle

"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." - Thomas Jefferson

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible [by which Paine means the Old Testament] is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my own part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel." - Thomas Paine

"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." -Samuel Clemens "MArk Twain"

"I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious ideas of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God." - Thomas Edison

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." Albert Einstein [Spenser]

2003-02-25 13:03:00

Bumblings of a Believer It is unphucking believable how utterly stupid you (anonymous) really are. You are absolutely right, a man cannot mate with an ear of corn and create anything. No phucking shit dumb ass. No where do I or evolutionary theory suggest such nonsense and this further goes to prove your complete lack of knowledge of the subject.

Evolutionary theory claims that simpler organisms evolve through time (billions and billions of years) into more complex organisms. Plenty of evidence for such things can be seen in rock layers. The deeper the rock layer excavated, the simpler the organisms. It is known through geology (and geologic observation) that through time dirt and rock layers build up over the ground and bury previous layers depending on weather conditions of the time, ice ages, droughts, geographic location (platectonics), Etc., the layers can then be identified and classified under a specific era. In every single documented case, older simpler organisms are located in the deeper rock layers that are associated with older eras in world history.

Now simply take the known fact that every single living known organism on the planet comes from a parent organism. If you trace back through time, through the rock layers, the only parents available are simple organisms. Through time the changes seen are minor steps towards being more complicated organisms. Through a shit load of time the number of new organisms and their complexity grew greatly. One is left to ask what parent those original simple, single cell organisms came from. Their chemical composition is so simple and composed of that which can be found in the environment around them, dub primordial soup, that it is much easier to believe that chemical reaction can create something that takes on the form of DNA, RNA, and other components of the simplest organism than it is to believe everything was created at the same time approx. 6000 years ago as is including billion year old bones and million year old fossils such as those of early hominids. The reason this cannot be duplicated in the lab today is the amount of time involved for such reaction to occur. We don't have a million years to wait around and watch the reaction of molecules, I'll be glad to live until I'm 80.

Evolutionary steps up the ladder can be compared by genetic study. Species created by a common ancestor generally have only one or very few different types genes from their ancestor. Some are still similar enough to mate even though classified as different species. Such is the case with the horse and the donkey who have a resulting offspring of a mule, but proof of them being different species is that all mules are sterile. If you don't believe this ask any farmer.

What is further perplexing to the theological community and to what I have never heard a solid argument against is the fossil evidence demonstrating proof of humans evolving from apes. Please explain Australopithecus afarensis, Australopithecus africanus, Homo habilis, Homo erectus, and neanderthals. These finds clearly show evidence of evolution from an ancient ape like ancestor. In the steps between them developments can be seen like bipedalism, increased brain capacity, a more s curved spinal structure, development of our four basic blood types, and much more.

FACT: Deism's definition is conflicting with Xianity's definition. Any people who call themselves true deists and yet claim Xian ideologies are not true deists now are they. Why can't you stop phucking quoting people and speak for yourself? Or do you really lack the ability of thinking for yourself? [Spenser]

2003-02-25 12:42:43

Bumblings of a Believer Many people who support de-emphasizing evolution justify their stance by claiming a lack of “hard, empirical evidence” in support of evolution.

Apparently, the only evidence these people will accept in support of evolution would be to make cells or new species from scratch “in a test tube.” But to say that the only valid scientific conclusions are those that are founded on direct experiments is a fallacious, if popularly-held, idea.

Take smoking, for example. There is no direct, laboratory test that can prove that smoking causes cancer.

After all, how could investigators design a direct experiment to evaluate smoking’s effect on lung cancer? They would have to give one group real cigarettes, another group fake cigarettes, and see which ones develop cancer. Ethical problems of giving known carcinogens to humans aside, the study would be a logistical nightmare. (What is a fake cigarette anyway?)

Nevertheless, epidemiologists have amassed an extremely large body of knowledge demonstrating the health risks of smoking. They have carried out cohort studies and observed that a large proportion of smokers develop lung cancer. They have carried out case-control studies where large proportions of people with lung cancer were found to have smoked. One population-based study tracked the incidence of smoking and lung cancer over time and found that the data of the latter mirrored that of the former but displaced 30 years behind.

With studies like these, even without a direct experiment, doctors can say unequivocally that smoking causes lung cancer.

The application to evolution theory is obvious. Critics of evolution are quick to point out that scientists cannot use direct experiments to prove evolution. Knowing that evolution supposedly happened over eons and calling for controlled duplication of speciation in the laboratory, these people have congratulated themselves, confident that scientists could never carry out such a direct experiment. And, of course, we can’t. But, if we put the same restrictions on what makes valid evidence, we also can’t say that smoking causes lung cancer.

Anybody feel like lighting up?

Fact is, science uses many different types of studies besides direct experiments to establish evidence. No one has seen a quark, yet we can infer their existence by observing collisions between subatomic particles. Even without witnesses, people are often convicted of crimes based on inferential, after-the-fact evidence. Neither has anyone duplicated radical speciation in the lab. But whoever calls evolution invalid just because no such direct experiment has yet been performed in a laboratory should probably go smoke a cigarette. [Skeptic]

2003-02-25 12:23:34

Bumblings of a Believer "Besides, how would you explain how a half inch stock wild corn became a crop with abundant foot long cobs that do not resemble their wild creators much?" Dr. Rosita Bumpalumba, in her book, 'Evolution: Breeder of Cononundrums' writes, "At the dawning of man's rising from the primordial soup, one must consider that not once did a homo-sapien mate with a eco-centric species as the duck-billed platapusses or sloths or wooly mammoths or any of the various eclectic animal groupings and produce another human animal, though in isolated labaratory situations, evolutionists have often forced the mating between diametric eco-centric species, no success was met at this." Neither could a homo-sapien have sex with an ear of corn and produce a cabbage, or an egg plant have intercourse with a slice of lasagna and produce chicken chow mein. "Xianity has very little to do with the ideologies of a deist and to claim otherwise is just stupidity." Dr. John Poppendopper writes "though the enraged agnosticist will claim there is no relation between Deism and Christianity, they totally ignore the writings of the Obstipated Christian Deists who are the forerunners of true Deism. The Obstipators sought to quell the moral rigidity of 18th century Christianity by promoting a more tumescent philosophy." ( 'A World Incinerated With Enlightenment' page 985) "Proportionally the percentage of Xians in the western world and the power they have over everyone's lives has gone down significantly." Psychologist Montague Hunkers writes in his book 'A More Cogent Universe' that "sociological experiment after experiment has been performed linking the perpetration of Judeo-Christian homogeny on the human mind with the defecation of democracy and western values particularly the philosophies of capitalism, rugged individualism, and astrictivism." [anonymous] 2003-02-24 22:37:39

Bumblings of a Believer Basically you have once again succeeded in writing a load of crap, hiding behind the names of other people while not even arguing their points. You countered nothing of what has been presented and displayed an overwhelming lack of knowledge of the very point you are trying to counter. Do you really think I would argue against Xianity without reading the bible and understanding Xian history and ideologies? I'm not that stupid. [Spenser] 2003-02-24 20:34:23

Bumblings of a Believer I love this, a well written example of evolution using domesticated plants and the best you can come up with 'Did a chair evolve?' Not once do you actually try and counter a point but simply assert a crude observation that has no basis upon comparison with life and the question of evolution. Of course a chair didn't evolve, we know we made them. A chair is also not alive, it is not life, it does not have genetics which dictate its size or shape. What is being claimed has little to do with pencil shavings and everything to do with your naivete to evolutionary theory. It is much more complex and yet when you understand things about the movements and reactions of molecules to each other and over the course of billions of years of different reactions resulting in different outcomes evolution is very real and easier to follow than the idea of a pencil spontaneously forming from shavings. Perhaps you should be educated to the theory of evolution before attempting to discredit and obviously you are not.

Your argument is absurd and holds absolutely no water. If that is your line of thinking then one must look at what you call God and ask the same question. What made him because something as complicated as that couldn't just exist without a maker (sound familiar). And then what made that maker, and the maker before that. If God can be thought eternal then just as easily can the universe (big bang, big crunch, big bang, big crunch). Your own argument doesn't even hold up to your own scrutiny. Besides, how would you explain how a half inch stock wild corn became a crop with abundant foot long cobs that do not resemble their wild creators much? Huh, I don't believe you ever actually addressed this.

Next, quoting a bunch of other people does nothing to argue the facts or the point of this whole diary. Like a Xian, I'm beginning to believe you don't have any thoughts of your own. What other people do or do not believe in doesn't mean shit if you cannot argue the point yourself and you present nothing. Great, so you claim deism came out of Xianity. So what, that doesn't change the definition of being a Deist. Xianity has very little to do with the ideologies of a deist and to claim otherwise is just stupidity. Just to preempt a stupid reply from you:

deism

The belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation.

This can be found at dictionary.com and clearly does not support xian ideologies at all. Rationality is a way of thinking, it was not created by anyone or any group. Rationality is a concept not an invention. You mention convert to Xianity as being a contradictory statement to Xianity having less hold on our society. Are you really that stupid? Yes the number of Xians in the world has gone up dramatically but then again so has the whole population of the world. Proportionally the percentage of Xians in the western world and the power they have over everyone's lives has gone down significantly. I can demonstrate this with simply saying phuck Jesus and not having to worry about my physical safety, I'm not likely to end up burned at the stake.

Amy Chu may argue religion and state, however this does not counter the argument of the first amendment as they are not the same countries. Sierra Leone is and always has been further behind in technology, education, and political structuring than the western world and the problems of Sierra Leone are probably more attributed to its 3rd world society than to religion. Either way, it has nothing to do with our country and is yet another poor basis of comparison. [Spenser]

2003-02-24 20:08:51

Bumblings of a Believer AA, though I am not a man of nobility I will attempt to analyze some of the dogma you speak. "I suppose the conclusions of many of our founding fathers are called into question because they were deists and did not believe in the Christian God which by anons standards would obviously deem them immoral." According to Dr. John Poppendopper's book 'A World Incinerated With Enlightenment', the Deist movement grew largely out of a Christian Church called the Monumental Church of Glad Tidings, and was a philosophy devised by Rev. Montgomery Milkenmiller who believed conventional Christianity was "too arid and bromidic." Rev, Milkenmiller set out to create a philosophy which in his words "did not rock the apple cart too much." So, the brilliant reverend wrote the first draft of the new Bible of Deism entitled "My God the Non-Interferer." The philosophy spread like wildfire and the book sold 19,000 copies, which was a good showing for the 18th century as the market was largely illiterate. "Its (the teachers labeling) called an opinion and holds little merit when weighed against the overwhelming evidence of evolution that fools continue to deny." Actually, the list of scholars who oppose evolutionary theory is ever growing and includes such notables as Dr. Tommy Habeeb, the good doctor Tony Scholastico, Earle Montoya, Muhumad Akabaka, noted paleontoligist Harriet Buscaglia, John Hagee, Dr. Michael Sagan, and much of the scientific community. "I suppose you think that the corn you eat was placed here by God as is exactly 6000 years ago? Same with the wheat that makes your bread." Look at the chair you're sitting on? Did that chair evolve or was it created? Same thing with your pencil sharpener. I'd like to see you toss some pencil shavings and a razor blade in a pile and say, "Ok friends, let's evolve into a pencil sharpener." Well that's what you're claiming when you say man evolved from a frog or a billy goat or a platypus. If you mate two platypusses togther you get another platypus. You don't mate a platypus and a duck and get a falcon. "What the f*ck are you smoking? Science cannot exist without rationality and reason true, this a fact not a belief. Because humans can be rational and reasonable science can be developed and understood. Nowhere in this equation is God needed." According to Dr. Emmanuelle Hagabaga's book 'God Put Through the Ringer' rationality was a concept first originated by the Hebrew scinetific community in the days of King Hezekiah when the good King ordered his courts wise men to develop a "more senisbile way of organization" and led to the invention of what is today called '"rational and coherent thought.' "What, never in history has Xianty had less grip on the 'western world' as believers in other faiths and nonbelievers numbers continue to grow. Strict Xianity is diminishing and will continue to do so as knowledge, truth, 'rationality and reason' are spread through out the modern world." Arabic scholar Osuma Zabeeba-bah stated in his treatise 'The Ever Hyperextended Modern World and it's Religious Counterparts' that for every 1 convert to Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Momonism combined there are at leats 1 convert to Christian philosophioes and churches such as the Fellowship of Christian Integrity which totally contradicts your statements to the contrary. "If I remember it right the USA was discovered and blossomed under the idea of freedom from religious prosecution." In her much heralded book "World on Fire" author Amy Chua refutes this philosophy as it has led to the ampuatation of limbs and the rape of many innocent young girls in countries like Sierra Leone. You should read it, I highly recommend it. [anonymous] 2003-02-24 13:46:50

Bumblings of a Believer 2-20-03

What happened to the cowardly anon??? He got straight jacked! [Spenser]

2003-02-20 19:37:32

Bumblings of a Believer It's nice to see that you're still fighting the good fight. :) [Unknowable] 2003-02-07 21:46:48

Bumblings of a Believer I hate idiots like that guy. [Retention Team USA] 2003-02-06 20:09:24

Nicely Put PS Incase you forgot, the dark ages were a direct result of Xianity and the age of reason came with the straying away of the rigid confines of the Catholic church. They actually teach this little concept in a place called school. Where exactly did you cut and paste this bullshit from? [Spenser] 2003-01-30 01:31:07

Nicely Put Anon, I can't phucking believe that you could actually believe what you just wrote. You never needed to be brainwashed, you never left the nipple... [Spenser] 2003-01-30 01:28:00

Nicely Put OH MY GOD [GOD THE SATANIST] 2003-01-18 01:46:29

Nicely Put Actually it makes a lot of difference. I would not trust the conclusions or observations of immoral men. Firat, even Darwins teacher called Darwins work 'mischeivious' as opposed to professional. Whereas legitimate advanced educational and technologial levels unique to the western world would never have occurered had it not been for the believing men who shaped the industrial snd scientific revolutions. Imagine where we would be today if atheistic humanists obsessed with unguided and continual change had been in charge. We would have been sent back to the dark ages. There are many scientists who acknowledge sciences debt to Christianity rather than atheism, scientific naturalism and universal randomness. Both Alfred North Whitehead and J Robert Oppenheimer(both who were not Christians) have stressed that modern science was born out of the Christian world view, rather than an atheistic one. In fact whitehead went as far to call Christianity the mother of science BECAUSE of it's insistence on the rationality of God. Without this belief scientists would be without hope. It was because Christians believed in a reasonable God that they also made the jump that the world also would be governed by reasonable laws on the basis of reason. And it is with this confidence that they moved forward with observation and experiementation. Christians set the basis of science in motion. When Christians began to lose their rights, the momentum was already there to be taken over by unGodly men, and that is when all they built thus far began to be overturned with micheiviousness such as Darwin. But Christians are on the come back, and will reclaim their country and culture. Mischeivious theories that through off the world such as evolution will be exposed. There is no way you can compare evolutionism as more scientific and factual than creationsism. Why? Because creationsim is in it's infancy, and will get stronger. Evolution on the other hand has had it's day and is on it's way out. Wait and see. [Anonymous] 2003-01-17 19:00:46

Nicely Put I on the other hand, dont have enough or I would know who I was writing too spence.. Forgive me, but I know you dig mike and hope that it wont make you think Im a dumbass for confusing your two diaries. Take care babe.,. [Stronger then ever] 2003-01-15 02:22:55

Nicely Put Mike darlin, you got WAYYYYYY too much time on your hands sweetheart:) Love Tree [Stronger then ever] 2003-01-15 02:21:43

Nicely Put Yes but what does that actually have to do with what science proves and what Xianity cannot? Some scientist are muslims, hindus, Canadians Etc and that has nothing to do with the fact that science shows no need and no evidence of a God... [Spenser] 2003-01-13 18:55:37

Nicely Put Did you know the guy who created the scientific method(Sir Francis Bacon) was a confessed born again Christian. Science actually belongs to Christians, though secular people have a hold on it now. In act nearly all the men who founded the various sciences were all Christian: Joseph Lister, Louise Pateur, Johannes Kepler, Robert Boyle, Georges Cuvier, Charles Ambrose Fleming, Lord Kelvin, Jean-Henri RFabre, William Herschel, Gregor Mendel, Louis Agassiz, James Simpson, Blaise Pascal, William Ramsey, John Ray, Bernhard Reimann, Matthew Maury, David Humphrey Davy- all were Christians. Few want to admit the relationship of science and Christianity, but it undeniably there. [Anonymous] 2003-01-12 19:05:52

Nicely Put What's the matter chasingamy, forget your password? Well here what I do. Every morning when i sh1t, I stick my pointer finger in the diahrea, then I write my password on my own ass. Then if I forget password, I press my butt up against wall, and there is password. Magic. [Yoko Sakamato] 2002-12-15 04:42:40

Nicely Put 200 times the testosterone. 200 times the thought power. 200 times is not possible in one night, more like 5 or 6. 200 sperm is not a very high count, not even for a smurf. 200 times is 100 times more powerful than ((3 * 30 - 40) / 5 1) / 3, I think. 200 times is one more times than 199 times. 200 times as many ladies wet themselves when thinking about Pepe than ever before. And of course, 200 times as many díck and fart jokes!!!

Cum celebrate my 200th. [Spenser]

2002-12-06 13:42:59

Nicely Put you still haven't responded to my comment [chasingamy] 2002-12-06 00:05:56

Nicely Put Morbid, what, you got your head up your butt. You know he pro-choice. DUH. [Yoko Sakamato] 2002-11-24 22:46:57

Nicely Put I'm sorry for being such an inconsiderate Jerk to you. [OPEN] 2002-11-22 00:43:32

Nicely Put just a question... pro-life or pro-choice? [morbidlittlepoetgirl] 2002-11-18 19:05:00

Why? i know that this is an old entry but people are afriad of dieing because its somthing we dont no about and its so wered we dont want to leave our loved ones [Anonymous] 2002-11-16 12:10:04

Science Vs Myth, Science is the only one scoring! American Atheist, I just want to point something out to you that may not have come to your attention. Your entire diary has been devoted to proving that their is no such thing as G-d. For arguements sake, let's just say you did it, and you could prove there was no G-d. Why is that a good thing? Understand, on a deeper level, religion is not supposed to be a worshipping blind mass bowing before stone images. Religion was created in order to set up a basic infastructure so that human being have the basic rules of how to live in society. Try the ten commandments, they are rules for our society, telling us not to kill, steal, cheat, ect. As for the existence of G-d him(or her)self, think about it as the boogeyman. The diety exists in order to keep the masses in check, as an imaginary police, waiting to punish you with eternal hellfire if you don't live a good life. Perhaps you are right, religion is fake, and some respects, I too think religion is fake. But it is also necessary to hold up basic beliefs. Now you can argue that these days it is not needed, we already have a police to intimidate us, and social consequences for our actions, but remember that religion was created a long time ago, long before there was this much power of a mass of people. And in truth, that is what religion is, control, but in a good way sometimes, unless it is twisted by its interpreter. Destroy it if you wish. You do no good for the world. Sure, we have a right to know if there is a G-d or not, but do most people actually want to know? A lot of people out there like the idea of a saviour in the heavens, waiting to one deliver. However, I still think your entry's are thoughtful and well argued, and if my soliliquy does nothing for you, by all means, attack G-d with all ferocity. I merely wish you to take this into consideration. [chasingamy] 2002-10-28 23:46:25

Science Vs Myth, Science is the only one scoring! I swear, the internet is the best thing to happen to modern philosophy since the Socrates. [chasingamy] 2002-10-28 23:31:28

Science Vs Myth, Science is the only one scoring! "God is real no matter what "evidence" appears to the contrary." I love the absurdity of that statement. Lets apply it to other things:

1. Leprechauns are real no matter what "evidence" appears to the contrary.

2. The blob is real no matter what "evidence" appears to the contrary.

3. Traveling faster than the speed of light is real no matter what "evidence" appears to the contrary.

4. A round square is real no matter what "evidence" appears to the contrary.

5. A good smelling fart is real no matter what "evidence" appears to the contrary.

6. The theory that the Yankees can still win the world series is real no matter what "evidence" appears to the contrary.

7. Antigravity shoes are real no matter what "evidence" appears to the contrary.

8. Winning the Ca Lotto by picking letters is real no matter what "evidence" appears to the contrary.

9. The concept that anons are brave and secure people is real no matter what "evidence" appears to the contrary.

10. The thought that Captain C doesn't have his head up his ass is real no matter what "evidence" appears to the contrary.

Get the picture? [American Atheist]

2002-10-25 11:55:28

Science Vs Myth, Science is the only one scoring! Dear Captain, you are the epitome of all this diary stands for. Thanks for demonstrating how stupidly easy one can be brainwashed and molded into another clone.

PS Oooo Hell, I'm shaking... [Spenser]

2002-10-25 11:45:19

Science Vs Myth, Science is the only one scoring! Say what you want, American Atheist. God is real no matter what "evidence" appears to the contrary. Also, the bible says that you cannot look at the universe around you and say with good conscience that there was no Intelligent Creator. You are with no excuse. You are only demonstrating that you are not one of the elect, and are destined to be tortured forever in hell. I would say "may God have mercy on your soul", but IF youre not one of the elect, he certainly will not. [Captain Calvinist] 2002-10-18 14:19:54

Science Vs Myth, Science is the only one scoring! It's called science you jack ass and its been explaining away the bull shit religion has claimed for years... [Spenser] 2002-10-06 16:20:56

Science Vs Myth, Science is the only one scoring! "American Atheist tries to explain something away which is for many people, an amazing experience that has transformed their lives. I hope we can find this American Atheist fellow and shove a live bobcat cub up his rectum," said Blanke. [Mike the Booger] 2002-10-05 01:52:36

Science Vs Myth, Science is the only one scoring! ARE YOU PHUCKING STUPID LENA??? [Spenser] 2002-10-04 20:54:42

Science Vs Myth, Science is the only one scoring! YOU DO BELIEVE IT THEN SPENSER [LENA] 2002-10-02 10:45:16

Science Vs Myth, Science is the only one scoring! Right anon, we all believe that... [Spenser] 2002-09-27 16:22:35

Science Vs Myth, Science is the only one scoring! I was an Atheist when I began reading your diary, but you have gradually turned me into a believer. Also, who is Tim McVeigh? [Anonymous] 2002-09-25 16:02:35

Science Vs Myth, Science is the only one scoring! wonder if they tried to turn her into a radio receiver while they were all hooked up too. [Stronger then ever] 2002-09-24 14:55:29

Science Vs Myth, Science is the only one scoring! cool, though I have to suspect this particular person is wired really weird. [Retention Team USA] 2002-09-23 03:39:33

Dear Anon "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals Himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."

The quotation above may be Einstein's most familiar statement of his beliefs. These words are frequently quoted, but a citation is seldom given. The quotation can be found in Albert Einstein: Philosopher-Scientist edited by Paul Arthur Schilpp, The Open Court Publishing Co., La Salle, Illinois, Third Edition, 1970, pp 659 - 660. There the source is given as the New York Times, 25 April 1929, p. 60, col. 4.Ronald W. Clark, however, in Albert Einstein The Life and Times (The World Publishing Company, New York and Cleveland, 1971, pp 413-414) gives a detailed account of the origin of Einstein's statement:

While the argument over his birthday present had been going on, the theory of relativity had been used to pull him into a religious controversy from which there emerged one of his much-quoted statements of faith. It began when Cardinal O'Connell of Boston, who had attacked Einstein's General Theory on previous occasions, told a group of Catholics that it "cloaked the ghastly apparition of atheism" and "befogged speculation, producing universal doubt about God and His Creation." Einstein, who had often reiterated his remark of 1921 to Archbishop Davidson-"It makes no difference. It is purely abstract science"-was at first uninterested. Then, on April 24, Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the Institutional Synagogue, New York, faced Einstein with the simple five-word cablegram: "Do you believe in God?" "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists," he replied, "not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings." Years later he expanded this in a letter to Solovine, the survivor of the Olympia Academy. "I can understand your aversion to the use of the term 'religion' to describe an emotional and psychological attitude which shows itself most clearly in Spinoza," he wrote. "[But] I have not found a better expression than 'religious' for the trust in the rational nature of reality that is, at least to a certain extent, accessible to human reason." [Spenser]

2002-08-13 23:36:26

Dear Anon Yeah but he is a phucking myth and I'm more interested in reality than delusion. No proof, and if your theory is right then we are left to pick which God? The one that tortures you the least for lack of belief? Its stupidity and insecurity and its pointless if you have any conceptual or intellectual ability what so ever. [Spenser] 2002-08-07 00:42:18

Dear Anon Do you honestly think I really get mad? I mean come on... *eyes roll* [Spenser] 2002-07-19 12:34:44

Dear Anon You 'not' bother reading my comment but yet you return to comment more? Man, it must really sting you to be so wrong... [Spenser] 2002-07-19 00:39:46

Dear Anon Bullsh*t, you know you cannot prove antigravity exists and you Einstein did not believe in God, your ducking of the issue could only be a concession of the fact that you are wrong and the only comments of yours I deleted were the ones where you did nothing but insult me, they contained no reasoning for you argument. The ones that did I left and any idiot can see you lost and are a fool... [Spenser] 2002-07-18 11:08:50

Dear Anon That's what I thought, can't even admit defeat... [Spenser] 2002-07-16 11:17:41

Dear Anon PS One of the very first things on that page you refered me to was this:

...a unique phenomena of electrical reactions that produce the effect of "anti gravity".

Did you completely miss the word "effect" you ignorant putz? [Spenser]

2002-07-15 01:02:00

Dear Anon You are such a phucking idiot it is unbelievable. The fact that people have found ways of using electric and magnetic fields to defy gravity and happened to have labeled the feat “antigravity” is great but it does not prove the existence of antigravity in the way I have defined it, the force of gravity created by mass but in the opposite direction (or a cancellation of a gravitational field). As pure simple evidence of this you only have to go to dictionary.com and look up the definition of antigravity:

The hypothetical effect of reducing or canceling a gravitational field.

Not to often is something defined as hypothetical if it actually exists. Notice how it directly refers to gravitational fields and not electric or magnetic as they are not gravity and though they can be used to defy gravity, they are not the definition of antigravity so once again, you are wrong, stupid and hopelessly going to continue to argue this point forever. I will concede that there is much research that goes on over the topic of antigravity however nothing has come to pass as evidence for canceling a gravitational field, so much like your God, with out evidence it is more than reasonable to dismiss it as not existing and I have a feeling that if it was discovered that antigravity did exist, not only would we see it all over the news but it would be taught as common curriculum at accredited universities, and yet once again, much like creation, it’s not… [Spenser]

2002-07-15 00:59:30

Dear Anon That’s great anon, really an interesting read however considering your goal was to prove the existence of anti-gravity and you cut and paste a clip from a site that explains its theory on what gravity is, well lets just say that’s marvelous, I mean really, I’m in awe… [Spenser] 2002-07-14 12:05:51

Dear Anon Considering you are arguing for no other reason than to argue and not actually presenting any valid points just obscure comparisons (magnetism and gravity are not the same thing dumb ass, anti-gravity does not exist and you going against the entire scientific community with out a shred of evidence isn't going to convince any one) your comments will no longer remain here, that is of course unless you manage to stir up a good point, but that is as likely as the existence of Zeus... [American Atheist] 2002-07-13 17:05:04

Dear Anon How phucking stupid are you? Gravity is the force caused by mass that pulls other mass towards it, the opposite of that would not be the absence of gravity like you describe but an opposite force pushing mass away, of which there is no such thing. Once again you are 100% wrong. Second all quotes are from Einstein's own phucking writing, like the third and most prominent one was written by Einstein's own hand in his book: [Albert Einstein, 1954, from "Albert Einstein: The Human Side", edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press] I suppose he is wrong about his affiliation with God as well and some anonymous idiot is right. And as far as my grammar is concerned seeing as you are the only one who has ever read my diary that suggests my sentences are incomprehensible, I'd have to say you are making a statement more on you limited mental ability than my writing skills. Every one else seems to understand perfectly what I am saying, furthermore if you enjoy playing the devils advocate cause you think you are getting me mad I am thoroughly enjoying retorting to your idiocy as winning an argument has always been a pleasure, plus you only demonstrate stupidity in almost all your words so if you enjoy being an idiot, keep talking.

PS Was that last sentence long enough for you? Did you enjoy being proved wrong yet again? We'll find out shortly I'm sure... [Spenser]

2002-07-12 17:10:44

Dear Anon You're right retention, this time I think I'll actually leave the comments just